It's Not You, It's Your Brain

Monday, August 31, 2009

Tone deafness is the result of bad wiring in a person’s brain, according to a new study published in The Journal of Neuroscience. The study’s lead author, Psyche Loui, who studies music and the brain at Harvard Medical School, joins us to explain. And, we hear the boots-on-the-ground perspective from Deborah Lapidus, who teaches singing to actors at the Drama Division of the Juilliard School and NYU's Tisch School of the Arts.

Weigh in: Are you tone deaf or do you have experience with it?

Guests:

Deborah Lapidus and Psyche Loui

Comments [22]

Tommy from Honolulu

This is great. I'm probably not quite all the way over to the tone deaf end, but pretty close. I tend not to sing Happy Birthday, instead I tell people my present to them is that I'll refrain from singing.

But I'm pretty good with language, so who knows.

Aug. 31 2009 07:58 PM
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mitch from austin, tx

they sort of remind me of the 1980s factory band called the wake

Aug. 31 2009 02:43 PM
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Benigno Veraz

Do tone deafness and inability to be pitch discriminant have anything in common, or, are these totally different things?

Aug. 31 2009 02:39 PM
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Melissa from Hoboken

Lest anyone confuse Bill Murray's character in "Lost in Translation" with Murray's own skills as a singer, google up some of his classic lounge singer performances from Saturday Night Live. He was ACTING tone deaf in Sofia Coppola's movie.

Aug. 31 2009 02:38 PM
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Sean from Midtown NYC

My father can't carry a tune in a bucket, but my mother can play piano by ear with no formal training. I grew up thinking I couldn't sing, which was verbally reconfirmed by my mother and actually failed miserably in attempts at trumpet in my elementary school band.

I then took a guitar class at 12 in middle school. Having a visual representation of the distance/relationship between pitches - by way of the layout of the fretboard- helped me grasp pitch and the relationship of the tonal distance between notes more acurately. After about 2 years it really clicked and I started to explore the possibility of having talent musically for the first time.

I grew up to attend college for Jazz and went on to start singing in bands and have made a decent living where people pay to hear me sing and play guitar and have released several albums.

Not sure if it was a cure for being tone deaf but I would certainly use it as an example of a reason for people to not brush off difficulty at pitch recognition as being tone deaf...

Aug. 31 2009 02:38 PM
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Maggie from Manhattan

This is so interesting! My mom's the only one in the family who is completely tone-deaf. However, many of us are musically gifted but dyslexic! Is it possible these characteristics are flip sides of our neural wiring?

Aug. 31 2009 02:37 PM
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Jennifer from brooklyn

Help
I can here if someone else is off key and
can here differentiation in music and it's notes
I can not sing on key to save mylife
it is like I can here exterally but not internaly

Aug. 31 2009 02:36 PM
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Tony from San Jose, CA

How about people who speak tonal language such as Chinese? Is there's a genetic componenent to tone-deafness, wouldn't it be much less prevalant among East-Asians?

Aug. 31 2009 02:35 PM
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Sean from Midtown NYC

My father can't carry a tune in a bucket, but my mother can play piano by ear with no formal training. I grew up thinking I couldn't sing, which was verbally reconfirmed by my mother and actually failed miserably in attempts at trumpet in my elementary school band.

I then took a guitar class at 12 in middle school. Having a visual representation of the distance/relationship between pitches - by way of the layout of the fretboard- helped me grasp pitch and the relationship of the tonal distance between notes more acurately. After about 2 years it really clicked and I started to explore the possibility of having talent musically for the first time.

I grew up to attend college for Jazz and went on to start singing in bands and have made a decent living where people pay to hear me sing and play guitar and have released several albums.

Not sure if it was a cure for being tone deaf but I would certainly use it as an example of a reason for people to not brush off difficulty at pitch recognition as being tone deaf...

Aug. 31 2009 02:30 PM
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Maldo from Manhattan

Spoken questions usually involve the "rising interrogative." Can tone-deaf people tell when someone is asking them a question?

Aug. 31 2009 02:24 PM
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suzanne delay from United States

My first day of singing lessons, the teacher had me to repeat vocally each note on the piano. I was exactly 4 notes off each time. The teacher said I was not tone deaf (being exactly 4 notes off told him this) but had most likely taken my voice from my father or brothers (I'm female). He had me buy a pitch pipe and practice imitating tones after each blow. I was
cured by the next lesson !

Aug. 31 2009 02:21 PM
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Sara from Brooklyn

I am one of those "who think I am tone-deaf" but know that I am not. I have been told my problem is production and not ear. I love to sing ..sour notes be damned...I wish those who have more acute technique would let us, who do not, just have fun. Btw.. I am a director and will be directing Souvenir for the 2nd time in January. Florence Foster Jenkins -- love her.

Aug. 31 2009 02:21 PM
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Ruth from manhattan

I was asked to help a young girl (10) with her singing.
She did seem tone-deaf at first and then I realized that she was probabaly a true contralto, and most young girls sing much higher pitches.

When I started her singing low and went higher, she was able to relate those pitches.

Aug. 31 2009 02:20 PM
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Jenn G from Lawrence, KS

I hear different pitches, but I can't match them. I love singing, but it really just sounds like I'm talking or, if I really "try" I sound like Florence Foster Jenkins. I'm really terrified to sing in front of people.

I also had a sever speech impediment as a child. Are tone deafness & speech impediments related?

Aug. 31 2009 02:19 PM
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mitch calvert from austin, tx

quick question

do (or can) the tone deaf appreciate music in the same way?

Aug. 31 2009 02:19 PM
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mary Westring from Brooklyn

I grew up in a family where everyone was born beign able to sing on key. My husband was "tone deaf". My firt two kids sprang from my womb singing on pitch. My last child was "tone deaf" but LOVED to sing. So when she was five I began a long process of training her ear.... I would ask her to copy a note and then say, "almost. a little higher". This took a couple of years. A success. She was in the Select Choral i High School. The voice is an instrument and one can learn to use it.

Aug. 31 2009 02:18 PM
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Lori from Montclair, NJ

Can you develop tone deafness? I used to sing and had a naturally lyrical voice but now seem to struggle with tone.

I suspect it may be damage to my hearing. (?) Is that a possibility?

Aug. 31 2009 02:17 PM
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Molly from New Jersey

My experience is similar to Jack's, I think. I can HEAR whether something is not in tune. But when I sing, I cannot make my voice be in tune -- it is just a disaster. When I sing happy birthday, it's worse than your example. Am I tone deaf? Or just a terrible singer?

Aug. 31 2009 02:16 PM
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Soundcheck producer Joel Meyer from WNYC

Re: #1 ... Jack: did you sing an original song, or was your band covering another artist?

Aug. 31 2009 02:15 PM
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Caitlin from Jersey City

Isn't there considerably less tone-deafness among people who speak tonal languages (like chinese)?

Aug. 31 2009 02:11 PM
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Soundcheck producer Joel Meyer from WNYC

We just heard Dr. Loui tell us there's some evidence to suggest a hereditary aspect of tone deafness. Any evidence in your own family?

Aug. 31 2009 02:10 PM
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Jack Dallas from Ioannina-Greece

I think I need some help.
I am not exactly tone deaf.
I play the bass in a rock’ n’ roll band.
When I tried to sing... it was a disaster. The other members of the band suggested that next to «bass» I should write «no voice».
On the other hand, I can understand if an instrument needs to be tuned. I can also sing some tunes in the right way.
So, what's happening? Do I suffer from «selective tone deafness»?

Aug. 31 2009 02:07 PM
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